Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Beautiful People



Read the editorial below written by op-ed column nature writer, Richard Conniff, a guest columnist for the NY Times. Basic Instincts

NY Times
Opinion
July 2, 2007, 7:16 PM

Facial Discrimination
By RICHARD CONNIFF
It’s usually women who complain about being judged on appearance instead of accomplishments, but pity poor Mitt Romney, a man who apparently suffers from looking too good. MSNBC’s Chris Matthews said Romney “has the perfect chin, the perfect hair.” The cover of Time magazine said: “Sure, he looks like a president” but . . . And on “60 Minutes,” Mike Wallace kidded him for being “matinee Mitt.”
And thus facial — not racial — stereotyping reared its ugly head in the 2008 presidential election.
We almost never talk out loud about physiognomy, the bogus science of judging character on the basis of facial features. But we all do it. We like or dislike people, hire and sometimes fire them, steer them onto the fast track or nudge them into the oubliette based in part on facial prejudices of which we are scarcely even aware. Research on facial stereotyping suggests, for instance, that — kidding from envious journalists aside — Mr. Romney stands a better chance in the G.O.P. presidential primaries because he has the look of a mature leader, with that high forehead towering over deep-set eyes and a strong (O.K., perfect) chin. And John Edwards may be at a disadvantage among Democrats because those chubby cheeks make him look just a little too boyishly winsome.
We make these kinds of unconscious judgments because our biology has prepared us to connect certain facial expressions with specific emotions. And then we over-generalize: Because the lips swell during sexual excitement, for instance, we act as if full-lipped people constantly flutter on the cusp of passion (think of President William Clinton). And thin-lipped people wear out their mattresses only by leaning on them during bedtime prayers (think of President George H.W. Bush).
Similarly, we have evolved as mammals to coo over a baby face. It’s how nature tricks us into taking care of our offspring. When baby-faced features carry over into adulthood, our innate response carries over, too. So Mr. Edwards may well inspire more warmth and trust than someone with a severe brow.
But will that help get him elected?
It may merely make him easier to forgive when he goes wrong. In one study tracking more than 500 cases of intentional wrongdoing in Boston small-claims court, judgments went against mature-faced defendants 92 percent of the time, but against baby-faced defendants only 45 percent of the time. The perception, says Brandeis University psychologist Leslie Zebrowitz, is that “baby-faced people are too honest and naïve to have a high probability of committing a premeditated offense.”
When it comes to choosing leaders, on the other hand, we often opt for people who look the part. For instance, another study categorized graduates in the West Point class of 1950 according to whether their faces looked dominant or submissive. Predictably, the top rank of general overwhelmingly went to people who fit the “tough warrior” stereotype. The people making such promotions apparently treated this facial type as a reliable indicator of the ability to command. And maybe there was method in their madness: Being sent off to war by a leader who looks like Howdy Doody might well be demoralizing.
Businesses still often act as if the stereotypical markings of executive style are a prerequisite for promotion. At a veterinary medicine company not long ago, a vice president got hired in part because he had, no kidding, “managerial eyebrows.”
Apart from the tendency to lead us into utterly superficial snap judgments, there is a darker side to facial stereotyping. Ugly people get overlooked. (They “develop complexes due to the humiliation and abuse they endure over the years,” one executive told me, to justify not hiring them.) Meanwhile handsome people often enjoy the unfair advantage of the “attractiveness halo.”
And one prejudice may shade into another. Abercrombie & Fitch paid $40 million a few years ago to settle a lawsuit alleging that it staffed its stores with hip, attractive young people — who happened disproportionately to be white.
“Looking the part” for leadership also frequently means looking male. People seem to prefer masculine-looking leaders even, weirdly, when all the potential candidates are women. In one study, test subjects considered only female candidates for a leadership position. But they gave their top rating to the candidate with a biologically masculine face and a masculine style of dress.
Being aware of our facial stereotypes is a way to avoid being victimized by them. A feminine-looking candidate can improve her chances by switching to a masculine style of dress — a lesson Hillary Clinton has plainly taken to heart. Changing behavior or facial expression can also help a candidate escape a facial stereotype. Smiling, for instance, might take the edge off Mr. Romney’s “too handsome” problem, or Rudy Giuliani’s prosecutorial scowl. Mr. Edwards, on the other hand, might want to smile a bit less.
None of this is likely to determine the outcome of this presidential election. Looking handsome and mature didn’t help another Massachusetts candidate in the last one. But it suggests a useful strategy if you want to get past your own superficial judgments during the next big presidential debate:
Just close your eyes and listen to what they say.

After reading the column, what kinds of fallacies is Conniff concerned about? Do you agree or disagree with Conniff, are Americans that shallow? Do most pick the more beautiful candidate? Person? Etc. What kind of implications does this have on our society? In what ways have you been affected by looks? In what ways have you judged based on looks?

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

The startling ideological derailment that we often find ourselves entangled with sheds light on both the long-standing debate of nature versus nurture. Sociologist and psychologists alike have spent precious time trying to decipher what the causative agents of reasoning and inclinations are, unfortunately little or no valid conclusions ever surface from such rhetorics. To fail to acknowledge the presence of subconscious notions, notions of ideals and parameters upon which we design societal continuums would be bigotry. Much speculations have been made as to how physiognomy dictate our perceptions and judgments, however I believe much caution must be exercised while attempting to carve out and weigh its contributions to mundane and routine daily actions. Acceptable or preferred physique varies across ethnic groups and this sometimes overlapping preference does not guarantee a given which makes it a tough call to solely associate our decision making to subconscious ideological preconditioning. One has to remember that in our world today the constant bombardment tat takes place via media and how it shapes our view is truly worth paying attention too. Conclusively I strongly believe it is important not to be caught up in the notions of dual opposites of physiognomy either being fully engraved in our psyche or totally irrelevant, but to acknowledge that along the continuum of reality we would find it sitting comfortably.

Ms. Wanzo said...

Kalid,
Excellent. Where are your paragraph breaks. You've said a mouthful here breaks are needed for your audience to process the information.

"To fail to acknowledge the presence of subconscious notions, notions of ideals and parameters upon which we design societal continuums would be bigotry."

Is it bigotry in all cases? Many people aren't aware that they are making such subconscious notions.

In this case, it would be ignorance wouldn't it?

Should blame be placed solely on the people? No culpability on the part of the American Goverment? the media? the politicians?

As you state "One has to remember that in our world today the constant bombardment tat takes place via media and how it shapes our view is truly worth paying attention too," which if this is true, then your ultimate conclusion gives to much power to the individual self, or does it?

Anonymous said...

After reading Conniff's article, "Facial Discrimination", I question the extent to which I partake in the topic at hand.

Any time I leave my home, I subject myself to the visual landscape laid out before me. This landscape includes people, places, and things. I am drawn to what is appealing to my eye. I ask myself, what is beauty? I believe this is an objective question with a subjective answer.

In my opinion, one fallacy that could be a concern to Coniff is "poisoning the well." When a stranger approaches me on the street, I make an innate decision as to whether I will talk to him based on what I see and hear. Will I stop and listen regardless of how the person physically presents himself? If my answer is yes, I then suspend all prejudice, and give him my un-biassed attention.
If my answer is no, I am discriminating against him, and giving no credence to his true character at all.

Another fallacy Conniff could be equally concerned about is "personal attack." For example, if someone is frightened by another's race or class, he or she might express a bigoted comment, having nothing to do with the person's intent or nature.

I do agree with Conniff, at least to some extent. I believe society is conditioned toward the issues addressed in the above article. Speaking for myself, I know I am drawn to people for specific reasons, some of which are inexplicable to me. It could be anything from their hair color, to the mood I am in at that particular moment in time.

I cannot speak to the question as to whether most people make choices about political candidates based on their looks. However, I can imagine that some do make crucial decisions about others based on their physical beauty, or the lack thereof.

I googled Mitt Romney in order to find out a little more about him. He is pro-life, and believes that the sanctity of marriage is solely between a man and a woman. He said: "Make no mistake, abortion and same-sex marriage are not rights to be discovered in the constitution." Given his stance on these two issues and the fact that he is a republcian, I would not cast my vote for his candidacy no matter how handsme he is, or how "perfect" his chin is.

I believe that the issues mentioned in Conniff's article are a symptom of human nature. To some extent, we make assumptions about others based on how they look all the time. I believe some of it is innate and out of our control. I also feel that one must take responsibility for this aspect of daily life.

I know I want to be conscious of how I treat others, especially when it comes to another's physical attributes. All kinds of hatred is extended toward others because of their external appearance. The implications exist regarding whether someone is a person of color, disabled, or elderly; just to name a few.

I can imagine I am not entirely palatable to the masses, so to speak. I have been called names and threatened with bodily harm several times in my life. People such as myself have been killed in the name of "gay bashing."

Finally, I admit that there have been times when I have denied a homeless person eye contact. I admit to lying in the past about whehter I have spare change or not based on how the individual looks. I see how that not only hurts that person, but myself as well. We are all in this together, at least I believe that to be true.

At this moment, I vow to take a closer look at all of these thoughts, fears, and ideas. I want to treat others with love, dignity and respect, the way I hope to be treated.

Ms. Wanzo said...

Lisa, a very personal reflection. One that you support quite well.

Conniff is speaking to an issue that is very plausible and real. Mitt Rommney is a candidate that could be elected as a representative of the Republican party based on his appeal.

On more than one occassion it has been mentioned that his charm and appeal could carry him a long way. No mention of his position on the facts just his wealth and appeal.

While it is true that many Americans will research the candidates and look for such things as his or her position on issues such as you posed; it is also true that many more will not.

You know these people: they rely on the opinions of others; they vote for a person with the best sounding name; they pick a person randomly or one who's popular (Arnold Schwartzenagger; or they pick the person that public opinion polls say is most popular. If this, as it stands to reason, is true, then why not pick a candidate based on his or her asthetic appeal.

Anonymous said...

Hi Everyone,

In my post, I neglected to add the site address for Mitt Rimney. If you are interested in reading more about that particular speech go to:www.mittrimney.com/news/speeches/
mass_citizens_for_life

Thanks,

Lisa

Anonymous said...

Hi Ms. Wanzo,

I hear you loud and clear. I agree, many will go along with popular opinion instead of doing critical research on the individual(s) in question. It is a sad state of affairs given that so many will place such value in the voice of others,and not their own.

Your example of Schwartzenagger is excellent. I believe he was voted in, to a large extent, because of his Hollywood appeal and celebrity.
As a result, I have a difficult time taking him seriously, and I did not vote for him.

When it comes to making a choice based on the sound of a name, that might work when choosing a piece of music or fruit. For instance, I love pluots, and I was originally drawn to the name. The fruit is part apricot, part plum. Perhaps the areas of music and fruit are safe when being whimsical about choice, and the sounds of names.

However, when it comes to voting in a Republican candidate (especially one having values leaning toward the right), it would behoove one to take decision-making seriously.

Unfortunately, aesthetic will only go so far, and money will run out too. However, the decisions of our elected officials can have long lasting reprucussions, to say the least. We have all seen this come to pass.

Thank you for your input, and this blog. It has given me a great deal to think about.

Lisa

Anonymous said...

Lisa - Kudos on your posting. I try to be conscious of the people around me too. I work in the city and it is surrounds with many colorful people. People range from the homeless, street vendors to the business professionals. I try to be polite to everyone and never intentionally ignore anyone. There are days when I don't know if I'm coming or going. :-) If I have spare change, I don't hesitate to give it to the needy. The silent panhandlers I offer a good morning greeting and a smile with or without spare change in tow. If someone stops me to ask a question, regardless of what they look like, I try to give them the respect they deserve.

Please don't get me wrong, I wasn't always that way but I hope I provided my son and his friends a good example. It reflects the way I�d like to be treated. Hopefully, this will make a good nurse in the future.

BTW, I found another website on Mitt Romney - http://www.mittromney.com that I think you might find interesting.

Anonymous said...

This whole idea of what is considered good looking will make a better representative is preposterous, but a fact in society today. For example, I have seen many people promoted on looks and alliances (who you know). Society is still driven by male dominance and that portion of the article is completely true. I look at the top leadership of many large corporations and the Executive Team is majority white male, with a sprinkle of maybe one black male and a few women, who will take the fall for what ever comes down.
One fallacy that I have fallen victim to is the tall, pretty, smart girl syndrome. People judge your intelligence on your looks. I hated being tall, at one time in high school I was taller than everyone in my class including the teacher. The kids and the endless jokes.
As an adult, they talk to you like you are simple-minded and they ask “Are/Were you a model?” Do you play basketball (stereotypes). Because my age throws many people off, in interviews they ask me, what I am going to do when I graduate, like I am going off to Washington to be a Page at the White House. I find this very weird, that in our advanced society, this ideology still presents itself.
The more shameful part is now how the media, especially television is promoting these fallacies and assumptive behaviors. Check our the bachelor old women (forty-ish) are being pitted against young women (twenty-ish) battling it out for the favors or marriage to this hunk (Hollywood beauty of a man). He is chosen on his looks and not his IQ or ability to be a great husband or father.
Remember that show “The Swan”, where they took these so called “ugly women” and made them beautiful. With the pressure of the media it is pretty difficult to maintain a strong self-esteem in the looks department. We all wish we had longer hair, shorter hair, longer legs, shorter legs, smaller tummies, smaller feet, smooth skin, longer eye lashes. I will just work with what I have and do some proper eating and exercise.

If we already believe that the candidate will not accomplish the tasks set before him, if we pick him totally on looks, we have to chance to see what he really believes or who he will ally with to combat problems.
I remember when Clinton was a candidate; I cannot honestly say he didn’t get extra points for cool looks and suave appeal. So I guess I am part of the problem too.

Anonymous said...

Kalid,
I agree with your reasoning as far as the media is concerned. They are determining what is beautiful and important. Thin is in, this style of glasses are in, this place of business is better than another. How I can tell is that, watch a beauty contest and check out the contestants. None of them have lips my size, hips my size or feet my size. They meet a standard that is not the norm so many women are striving for the impossible, because it is made up by the media to promote their causes.
We all have unconscious and preconceived notions; it is just how we allow them to play out in society.

Anonymous said...

Lisa,
Wow, you have really thought long and hard about this and I feel you have made many valid points and the most important point is for us as individuals and collectively to recognize how we are looking at the world. Do we have on rose colored glasses? Are we going along with the flow? Should we or could we stop and do something different. Thanks for the deep thought and vision.

Anonymous said...

Lisa,
Wow, you have really thought long and hard about this and I feel you have made many valid points and the most important point is for us as individuals and collectively to recognize how we are looking at the world. Do we have on rose colored glasses? Are we going along with the flow? Should we or could we stop and do something different. Thanks for the deep thought and vision.

Anonymous said...

After reading “Facial Discrimination”, I realized everyone does it even subconsciously. I think of myself as a non-judgmental person but today as I was studying in a library café, I found myself giving the evil eye when the quiet environment, conducive to studying, was interrupted with by loud conversation in a foreign language. Remember how Conniff said just close your eyes and listen? It was my wake up call as I was reading this article. Before I thought I was one of the many who did not partake in it. Now, I found that I agree with Conniff about physiognomy and that we all do it.

A type of fallacy that came to mind is appeal to prejudice – personal attack. Our sight is the first sense stimulated and these senses are transmitted to our brain. Using the memory lobe of our brain, we register the image and categorize it into good, bad, or unknown. Here the personal attack fallacy is raise because it stereotypes the individual base on their appearance. Remember the old saying “Don’t judge a book by its cover”.

To some degree, I have to say Americans are shallow and will pick the beautiful candidate. An example is the presidential election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon. John F. Kennedy definitely had the looks for the president over Nixon, but I don’t believe everyone really researched what he stood for before casting their vote.

The media is partially to blame for the way society views what type of people are beautiful. A good example is the diet program commercials where they imply you must be thin to be beautiful. Another show is American’s Top Model. I remember a contestant who was a full figured woman with a beautiful face. However, her face wasn’t the issue and eventually eliminated from the show.

When I was younger, I lost my glasses and was too scared to tell my parents. I walked around in high school squinting to see and apparently, it was received as dirty looks. A few girls had threatened to beat me up after school because they thought it was intended directly to them. In college, I dated a frat boy and we attended a couple of his frat events. The little sisters in his frat told him I wasn’t good enough for him; they didn't even know me. We stopped attending the frat events. This was foreign to me. I was a military brat and housing consisted of a potpourri of people. Our society categorizes people who are thin, well proportioned, physically fit as beautiful instead of looking real people are a beautiful inside and out.

Anonymous said...

After reading the article I would have to disagree about voting for the candidate based on looks. Look at Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush Sr. Theses candidates are not exactly GQ magazine material. However, I believe their speeches and what they used to attack their opponent is what got votes. Their looks did not make a difference.

The fallacy used here is appeal to false authority. This is indicated when Conniff talked about John Edwards’s chubby cheeks resembling a young baby which could cost him the election. What proof is there that his cheeks can have this much of an affect?

The only implication I think that looks has ever had a big part in society is in the elections of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronald Regan. In these cases it was their recognizable looks from movies that got both elected. In reality, the opponents of both were more than qualified for the job as opposed to them to. With no political education and bad speeches, Schwarzenegger and Regan ended up winning based on recognizable looks.

The one time I was affected by my looks was in Memphis at a Civil War Museum. The museum had several rooms that people could go in and observe. I remember the rooms could fit as many as ten people. I noticed that each time I would go in the room, the crowd would wait until I exited, then would proceed in. What made me put two and two together was that I was the only person on the tour that was not white but of a different skin color and look. Soon I realized people would not walk near me. This was a very uncomfortable feeling how people in Memphis could still judge by the color of your skin.

I can remember judging someone by looks about ten years ago. Working as a bank teller I noticed this dirty old man came in and wanted to apply for a home loan. By taking a look at him, I made a judgment that his credit was bad and that it would be a waste of time. After making him wait ten minutes I finally helped him. Boy, was I wrong about the whole situation. It turned out he had a credit score of 820 and an account balance of over one hundred thousand. The lesson I learned was to never judge a book by its cover.

Anonymous said...

Hi Sandye Curry

You wrote a very good article. I agree with your comments about the majority of corporations being lead by white males. Very seldom do you see a non white person or a female for that matter, with such a high ranking status. I applaud those who can break down this stereotypical barrier.

Anonymous said...

Sorry I forgot to put my name in identity

Hi Sandye Curry

You wrote a very good article. I agree with your comments about the majority of corporations being lead by white males. Very seldom do you see a non white person or a female for that matter, with such a high ranking status. I applaud those who can break down this stereotypical barrier.

Anonymous said...

In "Beautiful People", Conniff is concerned about
the influence of one's physical features when being percieved by others.
As Americans, we cling to the myth of upward mobility, the sense that anyone with a great ideas, strong character and a willingness to work themselves to the very marrow can be a billionaire but the reality is that being sufficiently blessed with astounding bone structure is also a factor when trying to gain higher ground in this society.
Lets looks at the mayoral election in San Francisco Ask most women why they are voting for Gavin Newsom and they will tell you with no reservations," Because he's hot." Despite Newsom"s overly publisized sex scancal and alcoholism he is still a beloved candidate amongst San Franciscans because is young and attractive. Politicians who are not as physically inclined become successful because they have money and a lot of powerful friends and family already in politics or another highly influential profession
I agree that Americans are shallow and gullible but our awareness of this circumstance could diminish how we view ourselves and others.
The only time I think I judge people based on looks is when it affects my personal life and this hasn't always resulted in desirable outcomes.

Anonymous said...

I think that this was an interesting article because it brought up something that people do not regularly discuss as a way of discriminating against another person. This fallacy could be categorized as the "straw man" fallacy. I think it is a "straw man" fallacy because people are imagining an ideal personality that matches the facial features. People can create a whole character based on a person's facial features. The problem with this is that these characters are immediately categorized as someone we either like or dislike. These associations we can create are not just for snap analytical purposes, it seems like they are used solely for judgment. An example of this that I can think of is our current governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger (the governator). He has the "chiseled features" that can create ideas of a strong leader that the article mentioned. Also, it's these same features that have been used in his acing career. Notice all of the parts that he has played: barbarian, cyborg, heroes, etc. It's not just Arnold's casting agent who knew that these parts would be perfect for him, society has gladly accepted these roles as being very believable. This "character" has been adapted very well into Arnold's transition to politics. These same features have swayed voters to confide in the sense of strength that his facial features can provoke. So, I think that his "persona" is something that people like and that's an example of the judgments that we make based on facial features.

Anonymous said...

Alestri, I like the example that you used about fruit. Food is something that has a lot in common with this subject. Very many people judge food just on looks alone, including myself. I actually do this a lot, but luckily I always do it around people that persuade me to "open my mind" to unusual foods. I guess aesthetics always will play a part in our daily lives whether we like it or not. I just thought your example was the next most significant way that visual judgments are integrated into our lives.

Anonymous said...

In the “Facial Discrimination” , I found that the author Conniff uses the fallacy of appeal to fear in the column. He uses the fallacy when he says that, “Being aware of our facial stereotypes is a way to avoid being victimized by them…
But it suggests a useful strategy if you want to get past your own superficial judgments during the next big presidential debate: Just close your eyes and listen to what they say.” He point out that if we don’t avoid the attraction from appearance of candidates, we will be influenced that power. At this point, I don’t think so that we will be the victimizers when we both listen and see the candidate competition. Vote for a president is the most important issue in this society. People would never select a president only depend on how he/she look like.

Also I don’t agree with Conniff that Americans are shallow that vote for president because he/she is the most beautiful candidate. In here, how many people think Mr. George Bush is the most handsome president? During the selection, we have so much information and background about every the candidate. As responsible voter, I think most of people would listen, see and consider seriously; and then pick the one to be a president who can represent their point of view.

To be hones, I do agree Conniff’s point of view about the facial discrimination in the society. In fact, we will unconscious assume who is bad and who is nice depend on the appearance. “Attractiveness halo” is very easy to find. He/she will always receive the unfair advantage by others because of him/her attractive appearance.

I still remember how my teacher treated a handsome boy unfairly good in elementary school. Every time if he turns in the homework late, he just smiles to teacher and says his excuse. He would be forgiven easily. At that time, as a little girl, I’ve impacted on the facial discrimination. Now, I try to be aware the facial affection. Every time I meet a stranger, I wouldn’t jump up a conclusion how kind the person he/she is only depend on his/her appearance.

Anonymous said...

Issue of how a person looks leads to many misleading assumptions we make about people.Today, good number of people suffer prejudices due to how they look or their facial appearaces.Labeling people according to appearance is an inevitable part of the perception process.The labels are way of interpretaions,but sometimes problem arise because people form opinion about a person based on how he or she looks.The impact of facial look is always demonstrated on how employers rate job applicants.Interviewers always form strong impressions of candidates based on appearance,even they usually ask questions that confirm thier image of the applicant.
Conniff's article, is concerned about personal attack that acompanies analysis of how a person looks, which tends to focus on facial look that is less important.On the other hand,prejudicial language in the article is associated with the discusion that employs loaded words that conveys bais.
I believe every body is guilty of this,often times we get scared staying at the bus stop,ATM machines with people with uncomfortable appearance.
The Author made a point.Most people vote to candidates based on how they look.Eventually,if the candidate's look is appealing, the perception that follows would be,"He is the right candidate". Such notion has lots of odds that acompanies it.One, is that the right candidate would not get the chance in the election.Also,bad policies in goverment is due to voters compromise at the polling balot. If voters should vote based on personal quality than personal look, they would be able to make a better selection.
Personal appearance involves some elements racism.To some, it's not only interms of how you look but also have some racial under-turnes which suports prejudices.At one time, I had traffic citation,I noticed that the Officer just gave me ticket based my look.And when I went to the Court,it was striked-out because there was no valid reason for the citation.

Anonymous said...

Hi Shawn,

We are in same boat that disagrees about voting a president base on looks.
But it is very good example of elections of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronald Regan. I think at that time, we just have limit choice. Finally, we just pick the one who most popular in the society and in the media. But I strongly believe that most of voters are smart and acknowledged enough to select our next president, not depend on how he/she look.

Anonymous said...

Sandye,you made a strong point.Personal appearance is well beyound facial look, as most people think.Good example is the job environment, one would notice that the disparity in terms of race,sex,is always out of balance .It's clear that race,sex and facial appearance are determing factors for employment.

Anonymous said...

After reading the column, I diagree with Conniff and Americans is not shallow. Obviously, everyone is desire the good looking. However, if put the good looking based on the election, Hiring or Disemploy then it is not practical or actuality. Even though it might have special cases of about based on good looking but it should be rare case.

The fallacy is Appeal to false authority, which is seeks to persuade by citing a fake or inappropriate authority. The perception, says Brandeis University psychologist Leslie Zebrowitz, is that “baby-faced people are too honest and naïve to have a high probability of committing a premeditated offense.” So which mean is people who don't have a baby-faced and they are liar and dishonest? And where is the prove of baby-faced people are too honest, I don't think those 500 cases of intentional wrongdoing is a prove.

The implication that we have in our society is skill and ability. Before we elected our president, we can see their speeches and debate of each other to find out who is better then we select. In the other hand, we won't see who more handsome or attractive to select our next president in the future.

I been affected by looks when one time my manager don't trust my co-worker but me about who hidding the tools. My manager said I had a innocent face that can make people pity. However the true is me hidding the tools and this is only a joke between us. In some way, I might judged based on looks, For example when some people stealing, their emotion (looks) must be different from the normal and I think this the only time I based on looks.

Anonymous said...

Hello Shawn Hughes

For what you said about your believe their speeches and what they used to attack their opponents is what they got the votes, I agree with you for that because it's definitely not based on their good looking and it's based on their skill or technique to got what they supposed to get. Just like if I have more good looking than "A" in Ms.Wanzo class, I don't think Ms.Wanzo will give me A grade if I do nothing in the class and at the same time "A" doing all his works and participate well in the class, he will get an F? Impossible !

Anonymous said...

Ms wanzo,

As I earlier mentioned self-responsibility is a reality we often hate to be encumbered with. The constant inclination to repost, suspend and alienate our responsibilities often makes individuals clamoring for impunity, when in fact the act of volition was self- actualized. I subscribe to the school of thought that states that self-responsibility and the need to stay aware is a quality that should be well championed, because politicians, corporate directors, bureaucrats, and lobbyists alike at their very core remain human (even though selfish ambitions might have suppressed this reality). Therefore is this holds true, allegiance to humanity as a whole should be a top priority, a philosophy that is truly intertwined with the ideology of self-responsibility. However, we should not confuse this with solipsism. Our actions as a whole must be weighed on a scale that is not suspended on the culpability of others.
For the American public to elect a president based on his physical attributes as opposed to subjecting his or her records to a true scrutiny and their platforms to fathomable possibilities and riding one’s self of the disillusioning that might arise from the propagandas that arise during elections is a responsibility we should boldly assume. This ideology should translate to every aspect of our life, it should be the mode of thought that should guide our purchase, it should be that fountain from which we let all reasoning flow.

Anonymous said...

Ms wanzo,

As I earlier mentioned self-responsibility is a reality we often hate to be encumbered with. The constant inclination to repost, suspend and alienate our responsibilities often makes individuals clamoring for impunity, when in fact the act of volition was self- actualized. I subscribe to the school of thought that states that self-responsibility and the need to stay aware is a quality that should be well championed, because politicians, corporate directors, bureaucrats, and lobbyists alike at their very core remain human (even though selfish ambitions might have suppressed this reality). Therefore is this holds true, allegiance to humanity as a whole should be a top priority, a philosophy that is truly intertwined with the ideology of self-responsibility. However, we should not confuse this with solipsism. Our actions as a whole must be weighed on a scale that is not suspended on the culpability of others.
For the American public to elect a president based on his physical attributes as opposed to subjecting his or her records to a true scrutiny and their platforms to fathomable possibilities and riding one’s self of the disillusioning that might arise from the propagandas that arise during elections is a responsibility we should boldly assume. This ideology should translate to every aspect of our life, it should be the mode of thought that should guide our purchase, it should be that fountain from which we let all reasoning flow.

Anonymous said...

Ms Wanzo,

Anonymous said...

Hi Kalid,

Your post is quite insightful, and it has struck a chord with me. I appreciate your raising the question about the debate on "nature versus nurture." It has certainly been addressed in several classes I've taken such as psychology, sociology, and child development.

How much does nature play a part of how we discriminate without realizing it at the time? How much do we nurture this perspective by not holding up in our consciousness to break it down and understand it?

I agree with you that the media has an enormous impact on the shaping of our values, and how we integrate the imagery into our psyche.

I believe physiognomy is just underneath our conscious thought, and it is at play on a regular basis. I agree with what you said about it being on a "continuum of reality, not fully engraved or irrelevant."

Great post. Thanks,
Lisa

Anonymous said...

I agree with what Sandy is saying about president Clinton during his campaign for president. Bill Clinton's personality and looks made him a prime candidate for being president, as opposed to some like Ross Perot who was running for president as well. Perot's physical attributes as well as his age made him undesirable. It's interesting to see how your persona as well and your features play a role in determining if your a liked or not.

Anonymous said...

Coniff is clearly concerned that Americans often choose people based on their physical appearance, rather than their abilities. This article made me think about Arnold Schwarzenegger vs. Grey Davis Recall Election. Although there were concerns about Davis’s leadership, Davis looked worn, tired, fragile, weak, and almost a little weasel like. I think that people voted for Schwarzenegger for his macho image. And based on that image he would be a stronger leader for California. I think Schwarzenegger took his ultra macho-ism too far when he referred to the California State Legislature as “Girly Men.”

Do I think America is really that shallow? Yes, I do. Unfortunately, I’m not familiar with other cultures in other countries to make a comparison, but just based on my experience with American culture, absolutely.

The Harvard Crimson published an article by an anonymous author in November 1966 titled “Scientists Find College Slight Obese Applicants,” the author states “two scientists at Harvard School of Public Health have found that fat high school students are discriminated against by teachers and college interviewers. As result a fat high school girl has one-third less chance of getting into college than her thin classmates…” www.thecrimson.com

Another article I read on the Rudders’ website; the title of the report is “The Influence of One’s Own Body Weight on Implicit and Explicit Anti-fat Bias.” The report revealed surveys regarding how some people feel about obesity. In the section “Personal Trade-Off’s,” the researchers found that 46% of the respondents would be willing to give up a year of their lives rather than be obese; 15% would give up 10 years. (pg 444 obesity Vol. 14 No.3) www.yaleruddcenter.org

A lot people may disagree with me but physical appearance is a huge part of our culture and how people are treated. I remember on an Oprah show, she interviewed Luther Vandross and they were discussing being overweight opposed to thin. Considering during times in both of their careers their weight has been up and down; they both agreed that people treated them better when the were thin opposed to when they were heavy.

In my own personal experience; close to five years ago my scale read 272 pounds. I can truly say about 115 pounds later that I am definitely treated differently. I can’t specifically say if I have been promoted more because of my physical appearance but I get more positive attention from my managers. On a social level I get a lot more attention. In my family, although most of the women are overweight, I get A LOT MORE ATTENTION.

Another thing, I hate to think this way but the last promotion I received may have been primarily based on looks. Even though I was asked to join the Legal team, the company policy is that all employees who want to interview must be allowed to do so before the position is filled. My manager (who was far more experienced than I) interviewed for the position. I truly believe they picked me based on my appearance over hers; because a part of the job description is appearing in Small Claims court to defend the company. I think her extremely casual dress, not so maintenance appearance and prosthetic eye may have had something to do with her not getting the position. I also believe that if I were 272lbs they would have choosen her over me. I hope I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

After reading Facial Discrimination by Richard Conniff the fallacies that he was concerned about are appeal to prejudice personal attack, appeal to false authority, and straw man.
Yes, I agree with Coniff Americans are shallow because everything is based on appearances in the rather you seeking employment, help in the store, etc.
Since Americans are shallow yes we pick the more beautiful and popular candidate no matter what. As evidence look at Arnold he went from being a body builder to an actor, and now a politician a governor of state he can’t even pronounce. So that tells you that Americans chose him because of his looks and popularity rather than his opponent who had experience in politics.
Our society is so messed up its scary. In our society you have all these stereotypes of a “perfect body” there is no such thing, but this is being portrayed through media and many people are falling into the trap. A lot of people suffer from low self esteem and other issues because society says that you have to look a certain way to be accepted into the circle if not you’re seen as an outsider.
Wow I have been affected by my looks since I was a young child. In elementary I have always been a big girl. I was seen as ugly by others because I had little meat on my bones and I was teased but once I learned to love me for me and didn’t let the teasing bother me.
When going to events such as prom and parties I was judged on my looks. Also when seeking employment I was looked up and down during the interview process but I got the job.

Anonymous said...

I agree with what Alex is saying about one's character being based on their facial features. The example about Arnold Schwarzenegger was a very good one because people assumed that he would be a good leader just because of the roles that he previously played. He looked like a strong leader, so based on facial features, he was chosen as the governor of California. Rather than people realizing that he was just playing roles during his acting career, they really assumed that he would be just as powerful as he portrayed himself to be in the many movies he did.

Anonymous said...

Shawn-

I agree that facial features may give one a slight prejudice; but to loose an election simply based on cheeks is a stretch.

I'm curious about your experience in Memphis. Were all of the other tourists white? Were they older, probably lived through WWII?

I had a similar experience when my dad and I went to our ancestor’s plantation "Stanton Hall" in Natchez Miss. During the entire tour we felt ignored distant from all the others which were white. The funny thing is we were the only descendants of the Irish Immigrants on the tour. When we told the tour guide she gave us the craziest look.

Anonymous said...

Hi Sandye!!
I agree with you and I remember the television series called "SWAN." I recalled in order being considered for this show you had to first say that you were ugly in order to have a transformation. I personally didn’t like the show because it was stomach turning because all of these women really thought they were ugly they had no self esteem at all. I was blown away because as a woman I know that we have our flaws but I would not get on national television and say that I am ugly. I would rather try diet and exercise or another avenue to improve myself.

Anonymous said...

I believe Americans are that shallow. A lot of my friends believe that Halle Berry And Tyra Banks Are beautiful. I can’t see it. Also a lot of women believe that Denzel Washington is nice looking. They do not take into consideration that a lot of brothers’ don’t get as much exposer as Denzel. Beauty is everything in America. I don’t think any American would want an ugly president. Remember the president is the representative of all Americans. If we have strong tough looking presidents we don’t have problems. If we have goofy looking presidents, look out.
The implications that this has on our society is that people are investing a lot of money on trying to be beautiful. What is beautiful? Being a man I can’t answer that because I see a lot of beautiful women a day all shapes, sizes and colors.
I believe I have been affected a lot based on my looks. Being a dark skinned African American I have been discriminated against. If I dress a certain way I could give off a certain impression sometimes that doesn’t even work. Society has put a label on all African American men, women too.

Anonymous said...

While reading Mr. Conniff's article, I wondered how many times I have been guilty of doing this. I know that the media does shape our unconscious thoughts whether we won't them to or not.

The other day I was watching a news report on channel 5 and was suprised to see that the reporters were all middle-aged women. I was actually distracted from what they were reporting because I was too busy noticing that all the reporters had that one commonality.
I actually didn't even realize my response to the news cast until after I read this article.

I believe that Conniff is concerned with fallacies such as Appeal to bandwagon and appeal to false authority.

I agree with Conniff partially about Americans being shallow because sometimes no matter how hard we try not to be judgemental, we unconsciously are. But on the other hand if we try to be conscious in the prescence of others them with can look past their outer layer and adjust our mind to what is being said. Or if all else fails, we can take Conniff's advice and " Just close our eyes and listen to what they say".

Shawn,
I agree that it is still shocking to see how in some states you can still be judged by the color of your skin.
The last time I went home (Louisiana), I went to the grocery store with my mother and each time a white person looked down the aisle and saw my mother and I there, they would keep going to the next aisle. I even noticed some of them just standing at the end the aisle like they were paying so much attention to what was there until we moved from the aisle. Then once we went to the next one, they would enter the one we left.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Shawn Hughes that Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush Sr don’t have GQ magazine looks, but they all looked like presidents. In most cases the president has had that long chin and the ones named do have that chin. They also have that real stern, leader look. Looking at old portraits of the presidents most of them look like a natural leader.

Anonymous said...

Hi mark
It is interesting as you said that the reasons for some people to vote for Gavin Newsom were just because she was hot. In some degree, that was true.
I think that one of reason we should go to school is that we will learn to become a very good critical thinker. We should always try to avoid using fallacies like “He looks good”, “She is hot” or “ he has a president look” for voting.

Anonymous said...

The article “Facial Discrimination” by Richard Conniff is very interesting, but it contains lots of fallacies. First, he uses many hasty generalizations. For example, he says all of us, based on facial appearance, “like or dislike people, hire and sometimes fire them...” well, in some degree; some people do that, but not all of us. Let’s say if you were a CEO or a manager of a company, you hire or not hire a person should really based on their skills, knowledge about the field and experience. It is true that some bosses do facial judgments, but then what will be the result of doing this? Smart people will not do that.

Another fallacy is the questionable statistic. He claims that judgments went against mature-faced defendants 92 percent of the time, but against baby-faces defendants only 45 percent of the time. This statistic does not say anything about “facial discrimination” since it is also a false cause fallacy. That is, judgments against or not against the defendants is based on legal evident instead of facial appearance.


Regardless of all the fallacies Conniff used, some of his viewpoints I do agree. I don’t know much about African-American, Latin-American or other ethnicity, but I do know something about Chinese-American when voting. In traditional Chinese culture, many people believe physiognomy. Many Chinese-Americans I know they don’t know much about the candidates in the years of elections. And the way they vote partially based on how the candidates look.

One interesting thing with young Chinese people is: we always say people who are too handsome often have not heart. In which means that this kind of boy (or girls) will not truly love a person, they are most likely are players. Sometime I joke with my girlfriend, “I am not that handsome, physiognomy says that I am not a player!”

Anonymous said...

I agree with Satcher boi and I too do believe that someone has to physically look like a president, in order to be elected. For example if a candidate is too young, or way too old they may not fit the mold of what a president should look like. There is no set "look" of a president but looking extremely out of the ordinary will hurt your chases. Also I feel like personality traits can hurt you too, look at the 2004 presidential election and look at someone like John Kerry with a passive personality; ultimately his lack of aggression translated into a potential lack of leadership and that made him a weak candidate and gave the election to Bush

Anonymous said...

I agree with Satcher boi and I too do believe that someone has to physically look like a president, in order to be elected. For example if a candidate is too young, or way too old they may not fit the mold of what a president should look like. There is no set "look" of a president but looking extremely out of the ordinary will hurt your chases. Also I feel like personality traits can hurt you too, look at the 2004 presidential election and look at someone like John Kerry with a passive personality; ultimately his lack of aggression translated into a potential lack of leadership and that made him a weak candidate and gave the election to Bush.

Anonymous said...

After reading the article by Conniff, I must agree that women are often very self conscious of our appearance. We are often judged on our appearance rather than merit. Facial Discrimination does exist in today’s society and its sad to know that people are discriminated against based on their physical attributes rather than their inner qualities.

In Conniff’s article he points to the fact the Americans often show preference for people with ideal facial characteristics. Ideal facial characteristics vary from culture to culture, but generally in every culture, not only American culture individual are given a slight edge if their features are seen to be “ideal”. I feel that Conniff focused on two types of fallacies: appeal to prejudice, and also appeal to tradition. When first looking at an individual we carefully analyze their appearance, taking into account their height, weight, age, skin color, and attire and we make general assumptions about their character and personality traits. Through time each society adapts ideals of what they believe are ideal, and through time we often find ourselves reverting back to those ideals, this is an example of an appeal to tradition. It’s sort of like the saying “Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander”.

I do agree with Conniff and must admit to some degree Americans are very shallow. An example of this was the 2004 presidential election, in which John Kerry looked like a frail, inexperienced, and passive candidate. These characteristics were seen as undesirable and ultimately it cost him the election. Rather than electing someone to send our country in a different direction we opted to re-elect President Bush, and now we complain about the decisions being made.

Ultimately I blame the television and mainstream culture for shaping what facial features we see as being ideal. The media creates in image of what people think is beautiful. For example Paris Hilton is often portrayed as being sexy or beautiful, in my opinion this false because she is 6”0, 120 pounds, and resembles a twig rather a human being. But yet television and media portrays her as being acceptable. I believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is no set definition on what beauty is. The definition of beauty also varies, so we can not truly determine is someone is beautiful or not.

Anonymous said...

After reading “Beautiful People “by Conniff; I got to say that was very good reading. I agree with Conniff; when he said”, that people get there jobs from the way they look. I also like the way he use the president primes Candidates as example on how we make hasty generalization base on someone appearance “Mr. Romney stands a better chance in the G.O.P presidential primaries because he has the look of mature leader, with that high forehead towering over deep-set eyes and a strong (O.K., perfect) chin. And John Edwards may be at a disadvantage among Democrats because those cubby check cheeks make him look just a little too winsome. Never mind looking at their credential to see if they are qualifying for the job.
An interview is another example how your appearance matter. You know that you couldn’t go with sweat pants and shirt aspect that you are going to get hirer .You must dress in a suit with no wrinkle and your shoes must be band new. Your face have to be clean and have as little blemish as possible .You got seen like you come from money : Even before the interviewer will look at your résumé. This sad, but true in how are society is base.

I think ours society is derange because instead of putting a qualify person in a job position .The interviewer pick who look the good ,in their buiness suit. That why, catastrophe happen every day; an example is President Clinton a lot of women and men ,thought he was a handsome person. That they fall to look at what he was doing while he was in office. Clinton put a time limit on welfare which hurt a lot of people because it they couldn’t put their live together in a matter of five year. Than they and their family were label unreachable; than they are put off welfare and let to do what whatever is necessarily to survive.

Anonymous said...

Hi , eyinwa ugo

I like your wirting that you did in “Beauitful People.” I wish that I though about Goveor Schwazenegger to use as a exmple.He is a perfect example of someone that shouldn’t held a government office because he really dosen’t have any credential what so ever that I read about. Expect that he look good on television.

Anonymous said...

One of the fallacies he used was the questinable statistic. He claimed that more judgement went towards mature faced defendents than baby faced ones. I agree that americans are very shallow because we are to caught up on the beauty outside, than inside. How much money you have, or what type of car you have is more important than being honest, and kind. Shallow is an understatement when describing american culture. we are stuck inside a box, and not trying to get out. Yes, most do pick the more beautiful candidate because there is a certain face of america. White, blue eyed, straight hair, and rich. Our society wants the model type looking person as a candidate. This implies that our society is very shallow, and that we live in a world surrounded by insecurity. I have been effected by the way I look in school, at jobs, and other functions. Being big and black, I am a drug dealer or a thug. How I dress makes it seem as if I am a thug, or trouble maker. However, once people get to know me, they see that I am highly intelligent, and very smart. I just express myself how I feel appropriate. I have judged on looks with women, and got the short end of the stick. If she is not pretty, I will not talk to her. That has cost me a large number of good women.

Anonymous said...

While reading Conniff's article, I found myself partaking in the idea that both men and women are rather judgmental of our physical attributes. It's sad when you think of it but we often show ourselves much unneeded ridicule for our appearance. There is constantly a push to fix our appearance and become more “acceptable” by societal and cultural standards. A push to become taller, more defined, smarter, lighter, more handsome; and for women a push to exhibit qualities garnished by women who they find fit the mold of what a true woman should look like in the eyes.

In his article Conniff centers his argument around many fallacies, but the two fallacies that were screaming at me was an appeal to emotion, and appeal to belief. In society today we often find ourselves conforming to the norm. For example in today’s society a woman is seen as being beautiful if she is thin, with little body fat. A perfect example this belief is the common physique of a super model: usually tall, thin, with little to no curves, this is an example of an appeal to belief. In my eyes a woman need not be tall or thin to be a super model, I believe that all individuals regardless of race or creed or physical appearance can serve as a model for people of several physical traits. In Conniff’s article he spoke how masculine women were seen as more desirable candidates than women who exhibited more feminine facial characteristics. Traditionally in American society/culture and other cultures, leaders have been masculine, dominant, and fearless, this is an example of an appeal to emotion. We often associate certain physical features with positive and negative things.

I find myself siding with Conniff and agreeing that Americans are very shallow. As a whole we find ourselves looking at an individual and making assumptions of their personality and character based on their appearance. In my opinion we often do chose the more physical desirable candidate. During his campaign Ross Perot was seen as undesirable because of his physical characteristics as well as his age. He was shorter, frail looking and his voice was very annoying. On the other hand there was Bill Clinton, who was younger, much more “approachable”, and people felt a bit of connection to him, not to mention the fact the physically Clinton was more desirable.

As a society, I think we are very opinionated, and we don’t take enough time to analyze people’s character, but we rather make generalizations about their character based on their looks. I am black so sometimes people will make assumptions on my character based on what they portray my characters to be.

Anonymous said...

While reading Conniff's article, I found myself partaking in the idea that both men and women are rather judgmental of our physical attributes. It's sad when you think of it but we often show ourselves much unneeded ridicule for our appearance. There is constantly a push to fix our appearance and become more “acceptable” by societal and cultural standards. A push to become taller, more defined, smarter, lighter, more handsome; and for women a push to exhibit qualities garnished by women who they find fit the mold of what a true woman should look like in the eyes.

In his article Conniff centers his argument around many fallacies, but the two fallacies that were screaming at me was an appeal to emotion, and appeal to belief. In society today we often find ourselves conforming to the norm. For example in today’s society a woman is seen as being beautiful if she is thin, with little body fat. A perfect example this belief is the common physique of a super model: usually tall, thin, with little to no curves, this is an example of an appeal to belief. In my eyes a woman need not be tall or thin to be a super model, I believe that all individuals regardless of race or creed or physical appearance can serve as a model for people of several physical traits. In Conniff’s article he spoke how masculine women were seen as more desirable candidates than women who exhibited more feminine facial characteristics. Traditionally in American society/culture and other cultures, leaders have been masculine, dominant, and fearless, this is an example of an appeal to emotion. We often associate certain physical features with positive and negative things.

I find myself siding with Conniff and agreeing that Americans are very shallow. As a whole we find ourselves looking at an individual and making assumptions of their personality and character based on their appearance. In my opinion we often do chose the more physical desirable candidate. During his campaign Ross Perot was seen as undesirable because of his physical characteristics as well as his age. He was shorter, frail looking and his voice was very annoying. On the other hand there was Bill Clinton, who was younger, much more “approachable”, and people felt a bit of connection to him, not to mention the fact the physically Clinton was more desirable.

As a society, I think we are very opinionated, and we don’t take enough time to analyze people’s character, but we rather make generalizations about their character based on their looks. I am black so sometimes people will make assumptions on my character based on what they portray my characters to be. I often find my intelligence questioned based on my appearance. I think we should spend less time looking at physical qualities, especially facial qualities and more time analyzing the individuals.

Anonymous said...

After reading the article by Conniff, I must agree that women are often very self conscious of our appearance. We are often judged on our appearance rather than merit. Facial Discrimination does exist in today’s society and its sad to know that people are discriminated against based on their physical attributes rather than their inner qualities.

In Conniff’s article he points to the fact the Americans often show preference for people with ideal facial characteristics. Ideal facial characteristics vary from culture to culture, but generally in every culture, not only American culture individual are given a slight edge if their features are seen to be “ideal”. I feel that Conniff focused on two types of fallacies: appeal to prejudice, and also appeal to tradition. When first looking at an individual we carefully analyze their appearance, taking into account their height, weight, age, skin color, and attire and we make general assumptions about their character and personality traits. Through time each society adapts ideals of what they believe are ideal, and through time we often find ourselves reverting back to those ideals, this is an example of an appeal to tradition. It’s sort of like the saying “Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander”.

I do agree with Conniff and must admit to some degree Americans are very shallow. An example of this was the 2004 presidential election, in which John Kerry looked like a frail, inexperienced, and passive candidate. These characteristics were seen as undesirable and ultimately it cost him the election. Rather than electing someone to send our country in a different direction we opted to re-elect President Bush, and now we complain about the decisions being made.

Ultimately I blame the television and mainstream culture for shaping what facial features we see as being ideal. The media creates in image of what people think is beautiful. For example Paris Hilton is often portrayed as being sexy or beautiful, in my opinion this false because she is 6”0, 120 pounds, and resembles a twig rather a human being. But yet television and media portrays her as being acceptable. I believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is no set definition on what beauty is. The definition of beauty also varies, so we can not truly determine is someone is beautiful or not.

Jannie Fresh said...

Saynde, i agree with you that the whole idea of beauty being a set thing in society is bad, yet i feel that there is no way around it. My whole life I've been short, though once i was getting into adulthood i learned to be comfortable with myself. Many people see short as ugly, and tall as beautiful, yet it's interesting that when those two things cross gender lines they are no longer the same. A short woman, for many, is desireable, a man, not so much.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

I enjoyed reading "Beautiful People by Richard Conniff. In the editorial I found two particular fallacies such as questionable statistic when data was given from a previous cases that took place and eithert-or-fallacy. The either-or-fallacy was used in the colomn becuase his argument probably was oversimplified the situation. By oversimplifying the situation you are indicating that their are only two choices when actually there are many.I do believe with Conniff that people put to much importance on good looks. I highly believe that Americans are that shallow. We try to deny the fact by saying that we care about what is in the inside and the how they look. It is a bunch of crap. The first thing we see from a person is the way they look and then we get to know them. Society makes an unconsious decision about a person. We are affected by looks in every way possible. We make choices on many things dependind on what person is advertising a particular product. We then become more interested in what is being sold. Good looks are very important to Americans. The better you look the better treatment you will recieve, which is very sad to admit, however, it is the reality.

Anonymous said...

Hi Kash! I agree with you on everything you said. Especially on two certain things you mentioned. I agree that physical appearance is a huge part of our culture and they way people are treated because of it. As well as, Schwarzenegger was more liked because of his good lokks compared to Davis. It is also true that if you are over weight then they will most likely pick another person who is slimmer.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Ifeyingwa, women are judged more so on outward appearence than merritt. Even when a women is well qualified for a job if she doesn't look a certain way than she is not likely to get it, even when it's not a job that depends on looks.


Society has created a universal beauty based limited opinions. Even for people who employ themselves or have great idea's to start a business their consumer base will grow according to what they look like. A good example of this is the group Soul to Soul. The lead singer was a woman named Karen Wheeler and she was not allowed to do concerts, videos or public appearences because of the way she looked. She was not what the music industry thought was beautiful or sexy so they put a thin model looking women in the group to lip sinc Karen's parts. Some how it was found out and Karen got a chance to make a solo record;it was not properly marketed and did not do very well. NO record label knew how to get the world to except a plus sized dreadlock wearing black women with a beautiful voice.